Pit boss / Traeger feud

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All the problems I'm having and those that are posted on this and other sites has lead me to look into PB a little bit further while I wait for parts that have "non-guaranteed expectations" of arrival.

It seems PB hired the Traeger family a couple years ago which resulted in "Traeger" (bought from original family members with certain rights retained) filing a lawsuit for various issues related to copy of design and marketing. Danson's Jeff Thiessen issued a letter in response. Civil suit was settled but several other issues remain. Interesting reads.

Hard to understand why PB is selling products that are now being developed with the original pellet gurus help and having all these problems.
 

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All the problems I'm having and those that are posted on this and other sites has lead me to look into PB a little bit further while I wait for parts that have "non-guaranteed expectations" of arrival.

It seems PB hired the Traeger family a couple years ago which resulted in "Traeger" (bought from original family members with certain rights retained) filing a lawsuit for various issues related to copy of design and marketing. Danson's Jeff Thiessen issued a letter in response. Civil suit was settled but several other issues remain. Interesting reads.

Hard to understand why PB is selling products that are now being developed with the original pellet gurus help and having all these problems.
Interesting. Do you have links to the response letter?
 

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All the problems I'm having and those that are posted on this and other sites has lead me to look into PB a little bit further while I wait for parts that have "non-guaranteed expectations" of arrival.

It seems PB hired the Traeger family a couple years ago which resulted in "Traeger" (bought from original family members with certain rights retained) filing a lawsuit for various issues related to copy of design and marketing. Danson's Jeff Thiessen issued a letter in response. Civil suit was settled but several other issues remain. Interesting reads.

Hard to understand why PB is selling products that are now being developed with the original pellet gurus help and having all these problems.
What started it was a picture of the Traegers and the Danson team with the Traeger family building in the background where they actually started the original Traeger pellet grill.

TBH Traeger actually became a better pellet grill after Joe and Brian Traeger sold it. Ever since Danson brought on Joe and Brian Pit Boss has now starting to have a bad track record....interesting

 

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old news.
Traeger has an awesome PID controller, but the flimsy build quality prevents me from going there, just open the lid and you will feel the difference.
It would not be hard to build your own pellet grill, just get a Smoke Daddy complete pellet system and the rest would be easy.
 
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I emailed Jeff Thiessen, Danson's big dog. Got the email from the lawsuit response letter.

He replied within minutes, referred my email to another "Upper" who just now called.
 

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old news.
Traeger has an awesome PID controller, but the flimsy build quality prevents me from going there, just open the lid and you will feel the difference.
It would not be hard to build your own pellet grill, just get a Smoke Daddy complete pellet system and the rest would be easy.
I agree 100% on that, but my neighbors new traeger is built pretty solid to me.
 
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Suppose to get a call today from George Koster, Head of Quality Assurance - Dansons

We'll see ..............
 
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Spoke with George, very nice fellow.
Good discussion about my problems and also about what I've been finding as posted here and elsewhere.

He said the 850 problems have been worked out, 1150's are slowly getting replaced. He stood by the many PB products in use. He also commented that CS issues are being addressed, manuals updated / more call takers.

Agreed I got a bad controller. Offered to send replacement (Series 5 instead of my 4). He couldn't offer refund but we discussed how to go back through Lowes.
I told him I was reluctant to stay with PB, He confirmed that the 5 is basically the same as the 4 (same controller).

Headed to Lowes, see how that goes. May have to try again with the series 5 .........
 

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Spoke with George, very nice fellow.
Good discussion about my problems and also about what I've been finding as posted here and elsewhere.

He said the 850 problems have been worked out, 1150's are slowly getting replaced. He stood by the many PB products in use. He also commented that CS issues are being addressed, manuals updated / more call takers.

Agreed I got a bad controller. Offered to send replacement (Series 5 instead of my 4). He couldn't offer refund but we discussed how to go back through Lowes.
I told him I was reluctant to stay with PB, He confirmed that the 5 is basically the same as the 4 (same controller).

Headed to Lowes, see how that goes. May have to try again with the series 5 .........
What is the series 5 vs series 4 controller?
Differences and on what models?

did he elaborate on what 850 problems have been worked out? When will those solved 850s be stocked in Lowe’s. Seems like there is some inventory, time lag delay before customers might be happy.
 
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He offered to replace my PBV4PS1 with the PBV5P1, both are described as VP1 controllers.

He didn't detail the 850 specifics - my impression was a firmware fix. Other models were getting replacement controllers at a rate of 30-40 per day (which is what he said he was getting daily)

Nice guy, tried to right a wrong but ultimately I believe their product is not reliable enough for me to swap.
 

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He offered to replace my PBV4PS1 with the PBV5P1, both are described as VP1 controllers.

He didn't detail the 850 specifics - my impression was a firmware fix. Other models were getting replacement controllers at a rate of 30-40 per day (which is what he said he was getting daily)

Nice guy, tried to right a wrong but ultimately I believe their product is not reliable enough for me to swap.
Thanks for the info. 30-40 per day. Wow. That does not seem like a sustainable business model. replace old junk with new junk. That alone would seem to dictate a need to have an end customer firmware update process..

I do like the mechanical build quality (except the controller) of Pit Boss products. If I purchased a Pit Boss i would need to budget a 3rd party controller into the equation. I will most like get a Camp Chef in the next week.
 

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I have a PB Platinum Series Laredo 1000 and the controller works well. How can I find out which series controller I have?
 

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I have a PB Platinum Series Laredo 1000 and the controller works well. How can I find out which series controller I have?
I am not sure, but from information on this forum, the Laredo series seems to be the best controllers that Pit Boss ships
 

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We have the PB Sportsman 820, was a Christmas present from my daughter & son-in-law. Son-in-law said he researched this unit and was satisfied with it's review performance, he also has a bud that has the same one and was very happy with it.
So far, I have had two "burn outs" but I think that may have been my fault, other than that working fine.
Reading this it has me concerned, is this unit the same as the 850?
How do you tell just what controller you have?
Please excuse my ignorance, I am doing my best to learn as much about the unit I have as I can.

Appreciate any input and for the original poster, I do hope you find some positive solution to your issue.
 

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We have the PB Sportsman 820, was a Christmas present from my daughter & son-in-law. Son-in-law said he researched this unit and was satisfied with it's review performance, he also has a bud that has the same one and was very happy with it.
So far, I have had two "burn outs" but I think that may have been my fault, other than that working fine.
Reading this it has me concerned, is this unit the same as the 850?
How do you tell just what controller you have?
Please excuse my ignorance, I am doing my best to learn as much about the unit I have as I can.

Appreciate any input and for the original poster, I do hope you find some positive solution to your issue.
The Sportsman 820 controller is different from the ProSeries 850 at Lowe’s.

The Sportsman uses a old school time based controller where you have to adjust your “P” values based on outside temps and your burn type (smoke low or hot) to help to get to your desired set temperature.

The Pro series has a PID controller with WiFi. The PID is supposed to track the set point temperatures much better because it is using a temp based feedback control loop to control the feed rate and fan speed. However
he Pit Boss PID controllers have had many bugs that have caused the unsatisfactory customer experience with the Pro Series models.

Most pellet grill companies are promoting their PID controllers that allow keeping he temps much closer to the set point. Most PID controllers have a 1-5 degree set point granularity.
If a controller has knob with fixed settings for the temperature settings, that is a good indicator that the controller is an older style timed based controller.

If a controller has knob with fixed settings for the temperature settings, that is a good indicator that the controller is an older style timed based controller.

The flame out you have experienced is probably due to an incorrect “P” setting. You probably need a lower P setting to keep the low and slow burn from getting a pellet oversupply to the burn pot.
 

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The Sportsman 820 controller is different from the ProSeries 850 at Lowe’s.

The Sportsman uses a old school time based controller where you have to adjust your “P” values based on outside temps and your burn type (smoke low or hot) to help to get to your desired set temperature.

The Pro series has a PID controller with WiFi. The PID is supposed to track the set point temperatures much better because it is using a temp based feedback control loop to control the feed rate and fan speed. However
he Pit Boss PID controllers have had many bugs that have caused the unsatisfactory customer experience with the Pro Series models.

Most pellet grill companies are promoting their PID controllers that allow keeping he temps much closer to the set point. Most PID controllers have a 1-5 degree set point granularity.
If a controller has knob with fixed settings for the temperature settings, that is a good indicator that the controller is an older style timed based controller.

If a controller has knob with fixed settings for the temperature settings, that is a good indicator that the controller is an older style timed based controller.

The flame out you have experienced is probably due to an incorrect “P” setting. You probably need a lower P setting to keep the low and slow burn from getting a pellet oversupply to the burn pot.
Good deal!
Appreciate the feedback, the burnout's were caused by a gap in the pellet feed (my fault).
BTW, I see you live in Auburn, my crew live just outside of Sac👍.

Glad I don't have to deal with this issue they are talking about.

#smokeon #happysmoking
 

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